The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information Mr. Jagger failed to challenge that competency. Page 40 of Case History. Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. I am quite bothered by what happened in that courtroom and in the media. Only the people who present ongoing threats to the safety of the public in general are the ones this sentence is reserved for. Common sense will tell this Court, when Diane accidently slammed her mangled arm into the steering wheel of Detective Tracys car, it was ANYTHING but a laughing matter. During a trial, we have to go with evidence only. Mr. Jagger said it wasnt t enough to know a witness had lied, but she would have to prove it. From what we know about Becky, she had chosen a difficult path and Diane was trying to warn her. I try to bring up the elements that were totally ignored. Diane changed her story about the stranger on the road. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. ..a little over year before the shooting had a surrogate babypregnancy and giving the baby awayumits donnoits the gal already had a fragile mentality.may not have been the best idea. Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. The previous video you sent me shows a Jagger pretty animated and involved in the defense of his client. When analysing this blog, look at three statements from the blogger: Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts Gosh Donna, you really dont have a clue. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. According to the State, ballistics evidence proved that Diane Downs was guilty. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story.. They sure forgot to tell us about her pulse racing during these sessions. I almost felt bad for her.that being she seemed so lost in her lies..she just hangs in limbo now. I remember when Diane shot her kids and there are some facts Id like to correct from your blog. Then feel free to correct the facts and to provide evidence to support them. So how she behaved at the time, should not have been a factor influencing the authorities. She goes on to say that she has deep regret and mourns the loss and death of her children. The diagnosis of the psychiatrist for the state is also clearly documented. By the way, that interview with Christie by a biased advocate named Angel borders on abusive. I never found a photo of James C. Jagger online. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. Brewer changed his mind. Hello. A long long time ago. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. I hope this would never fly these days to separate wounded children from the only family members they have. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. Oh my. You do not refute any of the points I made in the blogs. but I think there are some extreme cases that knock women in a bad psychotic way that can be life threatening. This case had many similarities to the Alice Crimminsstory. This whole case is flawed. Teams of people and detectives combed the area for months looking for the gun but it was nowhere to be found. My website is in the process of being migrated so it has no photos. The unicorn, the song, her personality. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? Anything less is a conflict of interest. They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. Some cases are so one sided that you feel like exposing or at least, discussing the other side. The point is our trials need to be conducted fairly and based on evidence. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom: I guess? In fact, Diane and her lawyer wanted Christie to be able to heal before being questioned and to be accompanied and taped during the sessions. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled , Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled, This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke , They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the , When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say. It wasnt simply her demeanor that got her convicted. If she did have memories of the actual shooting, that would be very rare. They would have tried to reopen the case. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. Yes, I had filed for divorce and then I canceled it. So appropriate! Click to listen to podcast explaining the gun test, Dianes mental condition and the lack of forensic evidence. Or maybe an upvote/downvote arrow for each. Surely before Diane downs, there were other mothers who killed their kids..or allegedly did, however in 83 and 84 it made national news, nothing quite like it had come across the media world, which during that decade was really skyrocketing in sensationalismI believe is where it started, becoming less news and more entertainment. There is also a critical shortage of Foster Carers internationally, so that the Hugis offered to take the children in could be viewed as altruistic. Yet that didnt stop Knick from asking Mr. Frederickson for a job and for Dianes hand in marriage (Appendix 81, page Case History Page 25). And she should be allowed parole! LMFAO!!!! No forensic evidence pointing to her, just conjecture based on how mothers should act. She was expelled and reunited with him against her parents wishes. This does not make her innocent. .well yay for youtubelol..is when I first heard her in old interviews. I will change it. Problem with that is Diane has said during an interview with detectives that the sketch looks nothing like what she described. They were not truth seekers and enjoyed a nice burning at the stake instead. Ive not seen the movie or read the book. Basically, I dont believe the site owner has produced enough proof of anything. She is supposed to be locked up for murder, etc. The fact that she drove there and it saved the life of two of her children should give anyone pause. It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. From what Ive read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car. Wow. I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. So there was a transfer, but nothing else was found. Because Foote was already familiar with the case, the presiding judge assigned him the murder trial after Downs was charged with the shootings. The kind of TV series that they produce on high profile crimes will make sure to turn public opinion. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. Diane may very well be guilty, but YIKES this investigation and trial seemed so butchered and tilted in the prosecutions favour. Diane herself stated Cheryl was asleep on the front floorboard completely covered up with Dianes jacket how the hell did a stranger or a hitman(one of Dianes OTHER stories) KNOW Cheryl was there. I mean if a guy admits to killing children over and over, shouldnt we pay attention to that? It is documented in the blog where I give the source In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. No. she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened. Her father passed away in October 2017 after having fought relentlessly for her release. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. Wasnt Mr. F supposed to be a child molester? She was extremely intelligent but her emotional IQ was no match and her desire for freedom, love and affection were dangerously dragging her down a path of self-destruction. Spiritual advancement and atonement? The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information But there was a lot left unsaid about this relationship. Her family supported her. (Yes, speculative). It should be removed from the blog. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. I had never heard of this case before I read her book (Im not from or do not live in the USA), but I found myself constantly despairing at the authors unfounded judgements and wild suppositions. John Shea who played Fred in the TV movie Small Sacrifices even looks like him. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). Instead of grieving, Alice went partying and had sex. If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. We talked about Steve's love of Marvel films and we joked about the staff knowing we were on a blind date because the waitress had . And she clearly remembered the April 1983, rape that Mr. Downs would later refer to as love making. Ruger #14-76187; described as the gun used by Diane and belonging to Steve Downs, was not the murder weapon. That says it all. And to say that her mental health has degraded is an understatement, but more reason not to keep her eternally incarcerated. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? Not right at all. I encourage you to read all the facts before being so sure that she was guilty or that she acted alone. The crucial point is that she is so void of emotion. As she walked away, Detective Welch called after her, If you dont testify against Steve, youre going to lose everything. Diane turned back to say, Show me proof, and walked away. Diane found a full-time job with the U.S. Post Office in 1981, and was stationed in Chandler. In addition, the children were suffering life-changing physical and mental trauma, which would take years to heal. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. This is also what the state did to her. I lived in Eugene, Oregon for years. The fact that the children were in no way protected by Child Protection Services is undeniable. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. She had not fired a gun. But Diane was not the one dragging Knick out of Charlenes bed every morning intent on making or breaking his relationship with another woman. Diane asked for proof that her ex husband was behind the shooting. He then left !his second wife, Charlene, to cohabitate with (and propose marriage to) Diane. Danny said several times that a bad man shot them and it was written in the nurses notes, but never that his mother shot him. They never found the gun and she showed no signs of having fired one. 4. Agreed. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. Is there any update? TIL On May 19, 1983, Diane Downs shot her three children and drove them at 5-7 mph to the hospital. Robert Schlosser, Cathy's father, lives in a 900 . Completely unethical, and not in the best interest of those children. Oh 1 more thing I see a lot of comments on pro Diane web sights that say well she drove them to the hospital. Q. As it was getting dark and the young ones fell asleep in the car, their mother decided to head home. As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. A slightly humorous observation is that you said, and others have, that James Haynes physically resembled the sketch.. The prescribed normal dosage for a full grown man is 30 milligrams per day. It always feels like punishment at all costs. I think DD is guilty, but I also think her trial was far from due process, and that is the important issue. But you are right to say that it is my site. Again thats opinion, and neither balanced nor objective. Regardless of the facts you point out, there is no doubt in my mind that Diane Downs is guilty. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy: Relevance? Anyways. The Parole Board had an obligation to parole Diane between 1998 and 2002 if she could provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society. Yes, I usually answer the emails I get about the blogs. Why did CK shoot the kids multiple times and DD once? Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. It appeared rigged: Rigged? But if you compare them, and if stranger there was, there are similarities but it is not dead on. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. So not addressing the content of the blog and rambling about everything else while asking for a disclaimer is nailing it? I lived through the media coverage. That hurt our family deeply. Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorneys office. Leslie Van Houten is an example of a woman who probably will never see the light of day because of her high profile status. No, Im not that gullible, Okay, I just read that she faked throwing her keys. What a terrible injustice. Late Tom Billings had been the first who openly questioned Diane Downs guilt. I go fishing with a jurors husband. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. As Ms. Patterson left the stand, Diane complained to her attorney that Ms. Patterson had lied under oath. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. Late one May night in 1983, Diane Downs sped into an emergency room dropoff in Springfield, Ore., with a horrifying story to tell. The media keeps talking about several escapes, but there was only one. Downs wanted to get rid of the kids because her new boyfriend didn't want . Right?? Around 1 in 20 residents in Arkansas and Tennessee were missed during the 2020 census, and four other U.S. states had significant undercounts of their populations which could shortchange them Most people negotiate the ups and downs of . I feel compelled to comment on this blog, because having recently read Ann Rules book, I feel exactly as you did. Years later, seven witnesses signed affidavits telling of a man named Jim Haynes continuing confessionthat he wasthe shooter, and his appearance boresimilarities to the sketch. I think that the US system is barbaric She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. Devoting ur life to taking down a dead author is a waste of ur talents. Cathleen was murdered in Feb. 1982 in her home in Brighton. The fact that she and her brother Danny were eventually adopted by Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs is the most blatant case of conflict of interest I have ever heard of. It is beyond belief that the State of Oregon allowed the prosecutor to adopt those children. One of the flaws was the relationship between the DA and the children. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. Otherwise you just want people to fill your echo chamber that agree with you, tell anyone else you obviously dont want to debate me.., then ban, then hope for people to agree. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. Thanks again. Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial, he tried to retain defense attorney Melvin Belli who had the reputation of fighting for his clients and to win all his cases. After graduation, Steven joined the Navy and Diane was sent to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College where she failed miserably at remaining pure and chaste, not unlike most girls of her generation who rejected their strict religious upbringing. This is a fascinating and informative article that has answered some questions I had, and prompted others: 1. Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled Small Sacrificesdocument the true story of the Diane Downs case; in fact, it is a mix bag of truth, falsehoods, interpretation and plain fiction. I didnt know that. (This is why Foote was assigned the case. She did not fit in and was now anxious to assert her independence and live her own life. Surprisingly, Fred Hugi actually looks quite different. Reasonable doubt is most certainly lacking. Would you seriously be confident enough to present your findings you mention in your article to Diane Downs children? It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. "We are obviously disappointed at the verdict. So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry. Just similar stuff.and that I guess, makes it easy for me to see how that song could of fueled her up.never underestimate the power if a song..what feels intense and exciting to you, may not to another, but shoot, anytime I hear pink floyd run like hell.takes me right back 1991 in the heat of my chase..for me, I got the answers I wanted from 89 when my friend said that about the Duran song and it involved in that case. The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. Of course, her mental health has deteriorated. It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. Diane was cooked the minute she walked in that courtroom. WTF? He strung her along, played with both womens emotions, and after saying he would join her in Oregon, reneged and stayed with his wife. In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole? Diane needs some serious spiritual advancement and atonement before she ever will have or deserve peace. Diane clearly would have had to have had her rights terminated by the court. I also grew up in as time of the most infamous case in Australias judicial history: Lindy Chamberlain and the dingo stole my baby. So glad you wrote and provided this information. Considering the lack of evidence, it seems that she was condemned mostly because of herinappropriatestatements and behavior. I am a strong believer that pregnancy can do serious harm to some women. The fact that she took the kids to the nearest hospital, andtwo of them survived kind offlies in the face of their murder at all costs theory. I agree that the phone call from Angel was totally inappropriate. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. They now have social media arenas reminiscent of the Romans cheering at the sight of a thumb down meaning there will be a bloodshed. He freely admitted HE decided to ask for a divorce on his birthday without consulting Diane, who was out of town Seeing her giggle and laugh during a videoed reconstruction gave me, as a mother, a sickening feeling. Let me tell you, it wasnt just the investigators and the prosecution that didnt believe herwe, Oregonians, (who ACTUALLY live here and watched what was happening) believe she is guilty. I point out some obvious facts and discrepancies, and that due process was shoved aside because the state and the media presented a guilty image right from the start. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. It was one of the most disturbing stories I've watched. Im sure nothing I write will change that. She has come a long way. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath.. Melvin Belli How things could have been different. 2.Diane herself has stated that the shooter was outside the car and shot THROUGH the window, no blood spatter. The way Christie was coached did not correspond to the reality of the direct evidence. In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. As for Diane, give me a break. While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. It is because she is a high profile person. 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